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AI optimism, SpaceX hype and rising yields test markets 5/21/26
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Here is a summary of the YouTube trading video transcript in clear bullet points:
**Stock Ticketers Mentioned:**
* SPCX (SpaceX IPO ticker)
* NVIDIA
* Micron
* Terra-Thama
* OpenAI
* Anthropic
**Price Levels:**
* Support/Resistance:
+ $100-$98 for WTI crude oil
+ $105 for Brent crude oil
* Targets:
+ Not explicitly mentioned in the transcript, but implied as part of the SpaceX IPO discussion
* Stop-Losses:
+ Not explicitly mentioned in the transcript, but implied as part of the SpaceX IPO discussion
**Key Trading Strategy:**
* The video does not explicitly state a trading strategy, but it appears to be focused on analyzing earnings reports and market trends for various stocks.
**Indicators Used:**
* None are explicitly mentioned in the transcript, but the video discusses technical analysis and market trends.
**Entry/Exit Rules and Suggested Trades:**
* Not explicitly stated in the transcript, but implied as part of the discussion on SpaceX IPO and other stock earnings reports.
**Timeframes Mentioned:**
* Mid-June (expected date for SpaceX IPO)
* First quarter (earnings report discussed)
**Risk Management Tips:**
* None are explicitly mentioned in the transcript, but it appears to be focused on providing market analysis and news rather than risk management advice.
Note that this summary is based on a transcript of a trading video and may not reflect the actual trading strategy or recommendations made by the host.
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All systems go for the SpaceX IPO, but in video strong earnings fail to impress futures inching higher. I'm Morgan Brennan, we've got a big hour, and this is your morning call. Good Thursday morning, let's get a check on you with stock futures, which are basically hovering around the flatline right now. The S&P&N has that coming off their first positive day, and four, we saw sizeable moves for all the major averages, gains of more than 1% a piece. And by the way, for the Russell 2000, a big jump back yesterday, gaining about two and a half percent. The Dow coming off its best day since late April, and as you can see on your screen right now, basically a mixed picture for futures, but very, very marginal moves. Now, your stock of the day in video, out with earnings after the close yesterday, says revenue surged 85% in the quarter on strong data center sales. Big buyback, $80 billion buyback, dividend was boosted as well, but the rest of the chip space, you can see in videos down for actually right now. The rest of the chip space, we're going to have much more on that in just a moment, but you can see a mixed picture on your screen in the meantime, the main mover in the green pre-market here is micron. Treasuries, let's take a look there, because really the headline here for the last call it day or so has been stabilization in the bond market. You can see treasury yields moving higher, largely higher across the curve this morning, but we're still down from the levels that we saw earlier in the week. US 10-year treasury yielding 4.58% fed sensitive to your treasury, 4.062%. Well, let's also look at energy right now, which is taking a breather. Oil, US oil, falling back below $100 of barrel. You can see WTI crude as trading around $98 of barrel. We also had a, we rolled contracts this week as well. Brent crude basically flat right now at $105 per barrel. Let's see how Europe and Asia are shaping up. Steve Sedgwick is in London with those trades, Steve. Hey Morgan, lovely to see you, and you must be very excited about space sex. I'm pretty sure you told me when we were back in Singapore that you would love to go into space. You might get your chance to go to miles at this rate. Anyway, Asian equities, they surge this morning after in video, of course, beat on those first quarter earnings forecast. Everyone's been pouring over the NVIDIA numbers, but quite frankly, it's hard to find anything that is the less than stellar in those figures. Let's take a look at the European equities, though. They are a little bit subdued, but my goodness me, they've had a good week. Would you believe out performing most of the markets around the world? The Eurostock 600 before today's session was up 2.2%, FTSE was up 2.3% as well. But oil prices and concerns about the effect of those beginning to come through in the data. We had some flash manufacturing PMIs this morning and the Eurozone figure was at its lowest level since 2023, and the French data was absolutely appallingly bad today. Or despite that, we're up to 1.10% on the cat caron, but let me hand it back to you Morgan. Have a great day. You too, and yes, I do want to go to space, although I'll hold off on Mars. Unless Steve Sedgwick, you're going to come with me. Then that might be an adventure. I could partake in here. All right, Steve Sedgwick, thank you. Terra-Thama for me, I'm afraid. OK, OK, thank you. SpaceX officially heading to the public markets and what is expected to be a record-setting IPO, raising upwards of $80 billion as soon as mid-June in its prospectus with the SEC, which it drops last night, 308 pages that yours truly was going through over the course of the evening. The company revealing that it will list on the NASDAQ. Ticker symbol, SPCX, left-lead underwriter GoldenSax. We had reported that in the days prior. Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Citigroup, JP Morgan, and others will be in the mix in terms of book runners. Retail investors will be offered a big chunk of available shares through a number of brokerages as well. The lock-up situation is going to be very different than what we typically see. We'll have more on that later in the hour. We're taking a look at the financials of SpaceX, too, which has long been closely held and somewhat secretive, at least on the business side. First quarter of 2026, revenue was $4.69 billion. That was a 15% increase year-over-year. Loss from operations, about $1.9 billion. SpaceX has been ramping its spending in large part after that absorption of XAIs. It builds out all of that data-centric compute, AI compute. That's down from a profit of $27 million a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA, though, $1.1 billion. CapEx, as I just started going back to what I was just talking about, mentioned $10.1 billion. Now, a lot of that is from XAIs. So if we dig further into the financials, companies, three main businesses, space. This is the launch business, the spaceflight business, sort of the bread and butter of SpaceX when we talk about things like reusable rockets. Revenue was $619 million in the first quarter. Loss from operations, $662 million. A lot of that is tied to the investment in Starship, which, by the way, we get a 12th Starship test flight as soon as tonight. Connectivity, this is the second business. This includes Starlink, which has about a little over 10 million subscribers and more than 10,000 satellites in orbit right now. This is the real moneymaker, as it currently stands for SpaceX. Revenue there, $3.3 billion in income from operations, $1.2 billion, and I just touched on it, but the third business is AI, which includes XAI, and of course, that X social media platform as well. Revenue there, $818 million in the loss from operations, $2.5 billion, and that's where a lot of the CAPEX spend is happening as well. Far and away, Starlink is the most profitable. This is going to be the biggest focus, and it certainly has been in terms of valuation for SpaceX on the private, in the private market, and in secondary sales as well. So we're going to be digging through all of this in many different ways throughout the hour, and we'll bring all of that to you, but here's just a little teaser in terms of what to expect with SpaceX, also keep an eye on the space stocks. If that's not enough, speaking of mega IPOs, Sam Altman appears to be trying to one-up his former colleague, sources tell CNBC OpenAI is preparing to confidentially file a draft of its IPO, as soon as tomorrow, by the way, OpenAI showed up in the prospectus for SpaceX as well, a couple of times. OpenAI is working with banks including Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. In a statement to CNBC, OpenAI says the company, quote, remains focused on execution. Well, prediction markets are running with the news as well, showing more than 80% odds that OpenAI goes public before Anthropic, which would be a near-complete flip in less than a week. By the way, we're keeping an eye on Anthropic as well, because they are poised for their first profitable quarter, at least according to reports, out overnight. Turning back to our stock of the morning. In video, final mag seven stock out with results, earnings, sales, outlook, topping street estimates, as data center sales, nearly double, and overall sales served 85% year-on-year. Board also authorizing a new $80 billion stock by-back and bumping up the quarterly dividend from a penny to 25 cents a share. Speaking with CNBC, CEO Jensen Wong, says this is the importance of hyperscalers. The hyperscalers is where the AI frontier models are and we're gaining share there. We're gaining share there because we've already always supported OpenAI in XAI and Meta-MSL and Microsoft's AI and a whole bunch of other AI startups, but this year we had the benefit of also winning Anthropic. We're helping them scale capacity so that they could have more reach, generate more revenues, and grow their company. And so with Anthropic, we're scaling very, very quickly. We've got big plans for them. Well, joining me now is Bill Ryan, founder and CEO of ETF Manager Grant Shares, which runs several in video linked leveraged products. Well, it's great to have you back on the show, your thoughts on what we heard from Nvidia and Jensen Wong. Well, another amazing quarter from Nvidia really has become probably the bar that everybody's looking for. I think the only thing different this time is in past quarters, it perhaps felt like Nvidia was the only talking point in the market and therefore Shares sold off after earnings a bit of a sell the news. But this time, although it's lightly down, I think it's more about the macro and the other situation from rather than videos and results itself, which was stellar. Are you surprised to see that the stocks are not really moving on these results? It's just a repeating pattern of the last three quarters in particular, where it seems like it's a bit of a sell the news event. I just think this time around, there's way more news for investors with SpaceX, with Anthropic, OpenAI, all sorts of other AI stories, and Nvidia doesn't know or is no longer just the only talking point that the market seems to be just hanging on every word. Yeah, I wanted to get into that a little bit more but first, I mean, on the call, CFO, Collette Cress, said AI infrastructure spending is on track to reach $3 to $4 trillion annually by the end of this decade. So I realized that there is focus on OpenAI and SpaceX, which also holds XAI and Anthropic and some of these other names that are poised to go public here. But it does seem like Nvidia is still poised to capture the lion's share of spending by those names. No, absolutely. You can see that from the margins that the one of the cases or one of the points of the bears always make is that these 75% margins video has run sustainable and looking for any kind of deceleration in the margin and the fact that we've seen that sustain shows you that the AI business and the AI demand is accelerating and you can see that from the news coming out of the hyperscalers. I mean, Nvidia reports almost at the end of the earning cycle so we have seen from all the other hyperscalers and other major AI companies already and that CapEx amount is increasing, not decreasing. Yeah, SpaceX IPO on deck for next month, possibly OpenAI filing as soon as tomorrow. How does an investor navigate this? How do you expect this to impact the public markets? I think it will be hugely positive. I mean, this is a momentous year for anybody in financial markets. I mean, SpaceX just have viewed that coming to market, largest IPO in history. So these are going to be real watershed moments for the market and what they all have in common is AI is right at the core. Okay, well, Ryan, great to have you on as we take a look at stock futures which are all slightly higher now. Be sure to tune in to swap on the street at 10am Eastern for the full conversation with Nvidia CEO, Jensen Wong and a lot more to come here on Morning Call, including we've got much more on SpaceX and what one early investor has to say ahead of that public market debut plus what to watch when Walmart reports before the opening bell today our Morning Call crew tease up those numbers and later. Global power broker? A look at China's Xi Jinping's long-term plans and we're Washington falls in the mix. We have a very busy hour still ahead. You don't want to miss it. Morning Call, be right back. Well, turning now to CNBC's 2026 Disruptor 50 list. I don't want SpaceX topped that list. The dominance of the company is looking to tap into all things AI to shake up their respective industries and futures. That's really the focus of the list this year. That includes our next guest. Whose company is looking to make waves in maritime manufacturing? Dino Mavricus is the co-founder and CEO of Seronic and we are also joined by Julia Borsten who is behind all of this data that leaves to the Disruptor list as I like to say every time the mother of disruptors. Julia, it's great to have you back on set, kick it off. It's great to be here and Dino, thanks so much for joining us. You've been growing so quickly, most recently raising $1.75 billion in March to help build out your autonomous maritime company. What is it that this recent round of fundraising is going to enable you to do? Hi, Morgan. Hi, Julia. It's great to be back on and thank you to CNBC for the recognition on the Disruptor's 50 list. This most recent round of financing is just going to let us accelerate our vision and our mission. Starting with Corsair, which is our first product, 24-foot fully autonomous speedboat, that's in full rate production. We're delivering hundreds of units. We could build thousands of units per year, if called upon, right now. We expanded that to Marauder, which is a 180-foot fully autonomous ship. We started building that ship about this time last year. That ship is nearing completion already. That's the fastest ship built in this country since World War II. And we're making a multi-hundred-million-dollar investment in our shipyard in Franklin, Louisiana to scale production of that vessel. And then we're expanding into Port Alpha. Port Alpha, quite literally, is going to be the largest shipyard in the Western Hemisphere. We're going to invest billions of dollars. We're going to create thousands of jobs. We're going to build a net new shipbuilding capacity here in the United States. And most importantly, bring shipbuilding back to this country in a way that we haven't seen since World War II. Yeah, I mean, it seems like what you're doing here is not just disrupting the defense space, but also the shipbuilding space. And curious as your technology evolves, how you think about dual-use technology, will we see your technology deployed for consumer purposes? Oh, absolutely. Dual-use is absolutely core to our thesis. Every single product I already listed, it is in fact dual-use. It's in fact commercial first. If you look at what the Secretary of War and the department is calling for, it's commercial first solutions that can serve the department of war. There's a lot of reasons for that. It's how do you build robust and resilient supply chains? How do you take advantage economies of scale? How do you drive down cost for the department? When we're talking about marauders and what the Navy is looking at in its long-term shipbuilding plan, there's a 30-year 1.2 trillion dollar plan right now. We can deliver on that plan while saving the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. Port Alpha, we're talking about large commercial ships, 600, 800,000-foot cargo containers, tankers, roll-on roll-off vessels. These are not just important for the commercial market, but these are actually critical to national security because if you don't have these logistics and auxiliary ships, you can't resupply your force in times of conflict. So do use is absolutely critical and definitely what we're building for. Yeah, and of course, huge initiative running through the White House's OMB amidst all of this, too, to bring shipbuilding back to the US in a much bigger and more meaningful way. And not only the shipbuilding itself, but the supply chain. I mean, it's part of the reason why you're seeing tariffs on things like imported steel here to reignite that industry, so it can supply things like shipbuilding. It's hard to do, Dino. You and I have talked about it before. What does it take to actually get those production lines up and running and the people skilled to operate on them? It's a supply chain, absolutely critical. You're right. The focus from the administration is a big push here. If you look at what China does, I mean, the subsidize the entire industry. This is definitely an all-of-country effort. And you're seeing that from the administration with the executive order from the president last year resulting in the maritime action plan. There's a bipartisan ship's act that's proposed for legislation. That would be a big push here. And then to your point on workforce. You know, we're doing a lot around workforce. How do you rebuild the workforce? And I'll tell you, the most important thing we're doing is making it cool for young people to go work in shipyards again. We're giving them the mission to build for the future of the maritime industry and we're making the investments to support our people. All right. Dino Mevruchas. Great to have you on. I'm Seronic, and Julia Borsten. Thank you for bringing us. Great to be here. Congratulations again on the list. Go check it out on cmbc.com. Full Disruptor 50 list. You can scan the QR code right there on your screen or go to cmbc.com slash Disruptor 50. And Julia will have more throughout the day. Straight ahead. Strike averted at Samsung. And shares are surging. We've got that full story in just a moment. But first, we're also watching shares of SoftBank over in Japan. Also, surging reports that two of his portfolio companies plan to IPO in the coming weeks. Open AI. And SB Energy, which develops energy infrastructure for what else? Data centers. Look at those shares. They're 20% right now. Morning, call you right back. Welcome back to Morning, call. China's president Xi Jinping wrapping up his two-day summit with Russia's president Vladimir Putin yesterday. This is less than a week, just days, really. After his face-to-face with US President Donald Trump, beyond those high-profile sit-downs, though, she is increasingly casting himself as a diplomatic power broker, meeting with leaders from the UAE, Spain, and others in recent weeks. This is a role, or at least presenting the optics of a role, once dominated by the US. That Beijing is now trying to move aggressively to fill. Joining me now is Congressman at Greg Stanton of Arizona. He is a member of the House Select Committee on China and the House Foreign Affairs Committee. And, Congressman, it's great to have you here. Welcome. That's exactly where I want to start. These evolving relations between China and the US and China on the world stage when we do think about US hegemony. Well, recent Gallup poll show for the first time, unfortunately, that China is more respected on the world. On the world stage, then the United States of America. There is real implications for how Trump has treated our allies and our friends, open and trying to break up the NATO security alliance with our actions in Greenland, denigrating our European partners, slapping tariffs on our friends and allies around the globe, denigrating Canada, threatening to bomb Mexico, even without the partnership of the Mexican government going after the cartels. These relationships matter and this president has not done well internationally in diplomatic sphere and that is paying a heavy price for the United States of America. So, in light of that, certainly what's in focus here for viewers of CMBC this morning is AI, whether it's blockbuster results from Nvidia, whether it is a prospectus from SpaceX, a possible IPO filing, from open AI as well, the possibility that we have an order signed by President Trump involving AI and cybersecurity, which could potentially reportedly come as soon as today as well. How to see the relations between the US and China on the world stage when it comes to this AI arms race? What's at stake? Well, it's important that the United States leave the world in innovation. It's been our strategic advantage for many decades, so we've got to continue to do that. But when it comes to AI safety, that is an area where the United States and China can have conversations but have common agreements. We have common interests in that regard and that's one of the reasons why building these strong diplomatic relations around the globe is so important. Obviously, when it comes to export controls, we have to make sure that our leading innovations remain here in the United States that we don't give away that strategic advantage. And so we have to be very smart about our public policies as it relates to export controls. Yeah, I mean, you serve on behalf of the innovative state of Arizona, which is home to TSMC. So how to think about bringing chipmaking back to the US and what it means for supply chain resilience, especially given the fact that Taiwan is in focus right now. Well, that's exactly right. TSMC and the Taiwanese semiconductor company has invested over $200 billion building semiconductor fabs in Phoenix, Arizona, my community. So for me, as a former mayor of Phoenix, international policy and local economic development go hand in hand. And this is why the biggest news coming out of the Trump Xi Jinping summit is the fact that President Trump has not moved forward with the arms sales to Taiwan. We want to be able to ensure that Taiwan can defend itself in case Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party make any kind of move on Taiwan. That would be devastating for this world if he were to do so. There'd likely be a global recession or even depression because we can't have another choke point on semiconductors. Taiwan is the leading country on this globe on semiconductors. Obviously, Arizona's been a huge beneficiary of their foreign direct investment. We need to continue to advance that relationship. But we also need to ensure that Taiwan does not become a bargaining chip in this global battle that we do support. Congress has authorized arms sale $14 billion to Taiwan. The Taiwanese legislature has approved funding to buy those weapons. And we need to support the self-governing democracy of Taiwan's such a critical trading part in the United States. We need to make sure they can engage in their own self-defense. And it's really disappointing that the president has decided to use that as a bargaining chip with Xi Jinping. And finally, I just want to shift gears here and get your thoughts on what we're seeing with Cuba with the indictment of Raoul Castro yesterday and the ongoing effects of this fuel blockade. How does this play out? Are we going to indict a 94-year-old Raoul Castro of all the things going on in this globe, including paying attention to the Putin Xi Jinping summit, which just occurred with all of the important activities that we have around the globe? The focus should be on negotiating a solution to the Iran war so we can complete that war and lower gas prices for the American people and for our allies because gas prices go up for us. They go up for people all around the globe. That really should be our focus. Building stronger relationships in North America between the United States and Mexico, the United States and Canada. And this obsession with Raoul Castro and Cuba I think is a distraction. Okay, Congressman Greg Stanton of Arizona. It's great to have you on. Thank you for joining me. Thanks so much. Still on deck. The White House, Reddy's an AI executive order and theropic looks to get profitable and sinkholes. Plague a critical New York airport to regulate its headlines when morning call returns. I'm Morgan Brennan. Welcome back to morning call. Let's get a check on the US stock of futures which are higher this morning, fractionally, that of course after an update for the major averages yesterday with all of the averages gaining 1% or greater or Russell 2000 was the real outperforming yesterday up to and a half percent. We're watching chips and the reaction to in videos latest quarterly report. Revenue surged 85% on strong data center sales. You had a big buyback. The dividend was boosted dramatically to those shares though are basically flat right now. Remarket CEO Jensen Huang speaking with CNBC about the opportunities with hyperscalers. The hyperscalers is where the AI frontier models are and we're gaining share there. We're gaining share there because we've already always supported OpenAI and XAI and Meta MSL and Microsoft's AI and a whole bunch of other AI startups. But this year we had the benefit of also winning and thropic. We're helping them scale capacity so that they could have more reach, generate more revenues and grow their company. And so with anthropic, we're scaling very, very quickly. We've got big plans for them. Well, let's get a check on the bond market which has seen quite a bit of activity in recent days. You can see we're largely higher for yields across the curve. 30 years taking a little bit of a breather here but US 10-year treasury yielding 4.57%. We're still lower than we were 24 hours ago and the Fed sensitive to your treasury yielding 4.0. 5% right now. Turning to energy after a steep decline in crude prices yesterday. You can see some more red on the screen right now. WTI is now trading below 98 bucks a barrel. 97.50 give or take. And Brent is also down almost 1% $104 per barrel. Global markets and mixed picture across Asia after Japan exports jumped in April. Well above street expectations thanks to a surge in chip shipments and green arrows across Europe in early trading here as well. All be it some modest moves, but other than the Cosby in Asia which finished up it looks like 8.5% Samsung union talks coming to deliver and avert a strike a big part of the move we've seen there. We're checking some of the morning's latest headlines shares of Samsung. Oh, I just front ran myself. Soaring in Asia after its 48,000 member worker unions suspended plans for an 18 day strike thanks to an 11-hour deal with management that includes six figure bonuses. The deal will be put to a vote starting May 22nd. Well, President Trump reportedly expected to design a new executive order as soon as today on government AI oversight. The directive would ask tech companies to submit their advanced AI models to a review by federal agencies at least 90 days before public release and also grant pre-public access to critical infrastructure providers like banks. If we stick with AI sources tell CMBC Anthropic is on track to generate 10.9 billion dollars in sales during the second quarter. Huge move higher from what we saw at the end of last year. And if achieved, this will be the company's first profitable quarter ever. Sources adding Anthropic generated 4.8 billion dollars in sales in Q1 meaning it sales more than doubled in a matter of months. Deal alert reports that Avalon Bay community is an equity residential are nearing a merger agreement that could come as soon as today. Avalon Bay has a portfolio of around 100,000 units across more than 11 states including New York and California. Equity residential owns and manages more than 85,000 apartment units across six states including Texas, New York and Georgia. So this would be a huge tie-up in the world of reeds. And we continue to monitor the situation at LaGuardia Airport in New York where a sinkhole on one of its two runways caused more than 280 cancellations 305 delays yesterday that's according to flight aware with more expected today. Well, we have liftoff for the SpaceX IPO, SpaceX filing its S1 publicly last night after the bell 308 page document brimming with information including the first financial document I've ever seen referencing the extinction of dinosaurs. SpaceX will list on the NASDAQ under SPCX as soon as June 12th adopting a stair step block-up approach that ties share sales to stock performance while increasing the float for the financials, three segments. Space, which is the launch in space like business, connectivity, which is largely Starlink. Starlink now has over 10 million subscribers paying for broadband from its more than 10,000 satellite and counting constellation and AI, which includes newly acquired XAI. Well, connectivity, Starlink is the big money maker, most profitable. Space registering and operating loss as SpaceX invests in the super-powerful Starship rocket. We're expecting the 12th test flight as soon as tonight, by the way. And AI, which also includes the X platform, is driving most of the losses. Most of the CAPEX spending, CAPEX in Q1 for AI specifically, was $7.7 billion. And in all of 2025 for AI specifically, it was $12.7 billion. So you continue to see a ramp up there and that build out in that race for AI compute. Also, we got some details about that cursor agreement, the Anthropic Deal, which includes a $1.25 billion monthly payment to SpaceX by Anthropic. And in the prospect, in the prospect, there's lots of focus on AI compute, and especially on orbital data centers. SpaceX saying, quote, we believe, our goal of establishing a lunar presence will enable TerraWat scale annual AI compute growth, support deeper space exploration and industrialization, and serve as a stepping stone to establishing a civilization on Mars. SpaceX adds that quote, we believe the next paradigm shift for humanity is the creation of resilient, perpetually expanding space-faring civilization that drives continuous innovation across new frontiers, ultimately propelling us to Kardashev type 2 status. We believe we are capable of unlocking an era of unprecedented economic expansion, while also contributing to the safeguards of humanity's future against existential risk. That's it. That's everything you need to know about the mission of SpaceX, and what's driving all of the technology and innovation. SpaceX thinks it's identified, quote, the largest actionable, total addressable market in human history. Quantifiable, Tam, get this. $28.5 trillion, most of that, about $22.7 trillion, and enterprise applications. So we're talking about AI knock-on effects. That's excluding China and Russia, by the way, which says a lot about the risks to the entire, well, I'll say all of this, as we talk about the entire risks, the risks to the entire business case of which there are several pages, among the, quote, challenges that SpaceX cites, shifting timelines for deploying these AI data centers to space, establishment of a lunar economy, interplanetary industrialization, space tourism, and cargo transport to the moon. They say that's an emerging business, and a number of businesses that haven't been realized yet, in orbit manufacturing, passenger transport to the moon, let alone to Mars, energy production, and manufacturing on the moon in Mars, and asteroid mining. They talk about that quite a bit in the perspectives, actually. As for governance, dual-class equity structure, giving dual-class B shareholders 10 votes per share, as long as Elon Musk is a majority shareholder, he's going to control a selection of the board, he controls 85% of SpaceX voting power, a lion's share of that, you could see right there on your screen through class A, but also class B shares, where it gets fun, and almost Tesla-like in terms of compensation package, if Musk takes SpaceX to a $7.5 trillion market value, and establishes a permanent Mars colony, he will earn 1 billion shares, that can best. Checking other space docs in the midst of all of this, because we've been talking about it for weeks on morning call, you're gonna see a re-rating here in space docs, and it's already happening. It happened ahead of this perspective, and it's even happening right there on your screen, pre-market, I expect that that's gonna continue to echo Star, which is a shareholder in SpaceX's up fractionally, but AST space mobile, intuitive machines, planet labs, red wire, rocket lab, go down the list here, your space systems voyager, all of these names are expected to see a revisit by investors, in terms of their valuations, and what the future is gonna hold, especially something like SpaceX's starship comes online, and brings down launch costs, and allows more payload to go to space more quickly, we're on the edge of a space economy, this is just the beginning. Okay, well we're not done with SpaceX yet, either. Coming up, we're talking with an early investor in the company on what he says will be key for the company's success, once it does officially go public, and as we had to break, let's get a check on two stocks on the move following earnings, and two it shares, those are seeking 12%, revenue just missing estimates, the company also announcing it's cutting 17% of its workforces at faces slowing growth. Different story for L, though, you can see those shares are popping at 10%, earnings and revenue topping expectations, it's announcing plans to walk back some of those tariff fueled price increases to offset a slowdown in sales, as consumers pull back in spending. Morning call, we'll be right back. Let's get back. Welcome back to morning call, let's take a look at rocket lab, those shares are falling actually right now, after the company announced a $3 billion stock offering to help fund future acquisitions. Well, from Rocket Lab to SpaceX, so much more. Let's continue the conversation, bring in Chad Anderson, founder and CEO of Space Capital, self-described as the world's largest space focus venture fund with more than $1 billion in assets under management across 59 portfolio companies. And someone I've been speaking to covering the space space for many years, you're also an early investor in SpaceX. Like a really early investor in SpaceX, like one of the OGs in terms of investing in space overall. So it's good to have you on your thoughts on the prospectus and this upcoming IPO. That's exciting. I mean, it's now real. We've been building towards this for a while now and a lot of expectations. And it was really interesting to sort of comb through everything last night and then early this morning. But I think the biggest takeaway for me is that SpaceX is no longer a space company in the traditional sense. It is a fully integrated AI company. And they are competing with hyperscalers. And they are looking to own the whole stack. So from everything that they're doing, right? I mean, because they're talking about big numbers here, right? You were talking about a $28 trillion Tam, 90% of that is AI, actionable Tam that they're going after, right? So that shows you where sort of their sites are set and where they're focused. And look, they're trying to own everything from the Silicon to the orbital assets and the orbital infrastructure and the rails that get them there. Yeah, I mean, to get to the orbital assets and the orbital infrastructure, and I want to get your thoughts more detailed on data centers specifically, which came up quite a bit in the prospectus as well. But to get to that, you need starship to come online. We're expecting a 12 test flight as soon as tonight. How much hinges on that, which is not even part of the valuation yet? Yeah, I mean, this is a critical piece of the business and all of the future business relies heavily on this, right? So we're looking at a business right now where they're printing money with Starlink. Their broadband business is going gangbusters. For a system that didn't exist six years ago, they now have 10 million subscribers and are growing incredibly fast, right? Their V3 satellites will be launched on starship. They're so big that they need this vehicle. And they're going to enable direct to sell. The telco market is obviously much bigger. It's also going to enable orbital data centers, right? So it's really important that this vehicle come online. If they have a positive test flight tonight if things go well, then it keeps things on track and moves towards their base case that they've put forward in their perspectives. And if it doesn't, they have 10 more boosters, five more ships in production. This is not like they don't have one rocket. And this is the way that it's been done in the past. They don't have just one rocket and all their hopes and dreams are relying on this one rocket, right? They have a production facility that is pumping out these massive starships and boosters. And so they could be back on the stand shortly and they call this something their prospectus that as long as the pad is intact, we'll see, but I mean, we're expecting big things. This is a program that they've now flown twice. It's just with all new technology. So what's that? It's hard to describe to folks and capture really capture in reality what star bases to your point and what they're turning out there and how big it's gotten and how quickly. I want to play some sound for you from Jeff Bezos, who was on our air from the Blue Origin Factory yesterday. Elon Musk has set very aggressive targets for getting those orbital data centers to space, but others I've spoken to, and certainly Bezos on our air yesterday, I think it's gonna take longer, have a listen. Our data centers in space realistic, the answer is yes. The timeline is harder to answer. So, some of the timelines you hear are very short. That probably would not, right? People who talk about two or three years, that's probably a little, Elon's talked about two or three. The little is probably a little ambitious. Okay, but I think what Elon would tell you is if you don't set an ambitious timetable, if you wanted to be six years, say it's three, it's the kind of, so exactly how long it will take. I don't think anyone knows, but it is real. It will happen. Thoughts? Yeah, I mean, this is obviously very ambitious. All of these new markets that we're talking about are very ambitious, but I think that, definitely the timeline's gonna be a lot longer for folks who don't have a launch vehicle that can pull this off, right? So, SpaceX owns the rails to orbit. That is a huge competitive advantage. You're not valuing this company, is not based on the launch business alone, but it sure is an incredible competitive mode and competitive advantage for the business. And that is what is going to enable them to be the first mover here and for them to get up faster than anybody else. So, it would be really great to see blue origin launch in a higher cadence and more regularly. We've seen three launches with varying levels of success. SpaceX is the only one they have built the most powerful and reliable rocket fleet in history. And their hopes are on this next generation vehicle and we'll see how things go tonight, but I mean, if this thing comes online, they're expecting to be launching it and getting into operational cadence by next year. No one else can match that. Yeah. I have about 20 more questions for you. We have to leave the conversation there. Chad Anderson, please come back. It's great to have you. All right, morning call crew is next. We're going to keep this conversation going. It's time for your morning call, call sheet, where we look at the topics driving the trading day ahead. The crew members today, Joe Missola, Charles Schwab, Larry McDonnell to the Bear Trap Report and Terry Weisman of McQuarrie Group. Oh my gosh, so much news today, so much to touch on, not enough time to do it. Let's see what we can get to. Larry McDonnell, I'm going to start this conversation with you, SpaceX IPO, what are you watching? Well, there's a lot to digest. I mean, you've got $4 trillion of valuation coming in on the three big AII POs. And you have, for investors watching us right now, you've got to be concerned that 50% of the S&P is already technology. And now we're kind of jamming these IPOs in because they need to get them in in a short period of time and they're waving S&P 500 rules around that. And so I think you just want to watch who's unloading and why are they unloading, it's such a rate of change and why are they dumping the shares into passive investors, which is the S&P 500 and the NASDAQ. So the valuation and just the rate of change of the dumping is what I think a lot of the institutions that we at most of our clients are institutional investors, that's what they're watching. Yeah, I mean, SpaceX is also allocating quite a nice chunk to retail investors, Joe Missola, and going to be offering those shares through a number of brokerages, including Charles Schwab. Really are, yeah. Rewrating here in space stocks, which has already been a retail fan favorite. You know, it'll be interesting to kind of see the demand for it. My assumption is the demand will be through the roof. But overall, market sentiment from our investors has really improved these last few weeks. Not only do we see it in terms of their buying behavior and video is number one on the list, kind of heading into earnings. But we've seen a lot of action on the option side as well too. So a lot of call buying, a lot of positioning ahead of some of these earnings, specifically these late tech earnings with Nvidia Broadcom and so on. So, you know, they've shown a bullish sentiment, probably getting to the point now where it's a little bit extended. But you know, we'll see, because there could be some room for this market to rally. Yeah, Terry, want to get your thoughts on all this? Because we've been talking about all week, the run-up and rates. We've seen some stabilization. We've seen effects volatility. We've seen that pressure some of these growth names, including the semiconductors, which have surged. In focus today, this whole AI infrastructure build-up, which also, by the way, is starting to permeate some of the macro data. How do you see all of this, especially as the market digests in video? Well, I think if the policymakers in Washington, specifically the Fed, have a mission in mind, it should be to try to bring the yields on the long end of the yield curve down to the extent they can do it. Because obviously, if funding costs become expensive for companies in America, we may not have that AI revolution manifest itself. So it's funding costs need to be brought down. And interestingly enough, one of the reasons why yields the back end of the curve are so high is because people are concerned about inflation. So this is a job that the Federal Reserve should be able to tackle by signaling that it's prioritizing price stability again. And when that happens, and I think we've seen a little bit of that in the last few days where some of the speeches have come out fed officials, we may see stabilization at the long end of the curve. And we won't see the 10-year yield go north to 5%. And I think then we have more positive conditions, obviously, for the market, rather to continue. Okay. John, I'm going to go back to you. Your thoughts on Nvidia. And also your thoughts on another mega cap name that's been focused this morning, which is Walmart. Sure. Well, let's start with Nvidia. I mean, what do you have to do to get a big reaction from the market? I mean, you crush everything. You've got revenue up 85%, you'd be under just an EPS by 10 cents. So everything looks good. I think the sales guidance, while it was above expectations, there's a whisper number for maybe around 96 billion didn't hit that. So I think maybe that's why you're seeing the tepid response, especially like I said, the run-up that we had, it was about a 48, 50% move from the bottom at the end of March to the highs that was all around 235. So I think the response is appropriate. I think Walmart's a big test today in terms of how the consumer is holding out. We talk about the K shape recovery. We do want to see if there's rolling down or if people are still spending. OK. Jensenman, we have to leave the conversation there. Thank you to our call crew and Squawk Bucks starts now.